Reality TV, Red Flags, and Rising Stars with Kamie Crawford
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october 31, 2023
This week, Morgan DeBaun sits down with Kamie Crawford, the dynamic and talented host of Catfish. Kamie takes us on a captivating journey through her life and career, revealing that hard work and dedication have been the driving forces behind her success every step of the way.
Kamie recounts her incredible transformation from a pageant queen to a renowned TV host, showcasing her unwavering commitment to learning. She dives into the extensive training and mentorship she's received, which has been instrumental in honing her craft and achieving her goals. Morgan and Kamie also share their thoughts on the changing landscape of television, discussing how YouTubers, Instagram stars, and TikTokers are breaking into the industry, and what that means for people who dream of being on TV.
And of course, Kamie opens up about relationship red flags, both from her personal experiences and what she's encountered on Catfish. Everything from a lack of generosity and poor tipping etiquette to personal hygiene faux pas, she lays it all out on the table.
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transcript
00:00
Did that happen overnight? Yeah. You're telling us now. Everybody thinks that. Everyone is like, oh my god. You just like, all of a sudden, that's so great. And I'm like, girl, you have no idea. Hey, everyone. I'm Morgan DeBaun, a passionate entrepreneur and life advisor. With The Journey Podcast, you'll discover that success isn't about the destination. It's about the journey. I'm sharing stories of amazing people who've taken control of their lives. Join me on my own journey to discover the secret sauce behind reaching success.
00:30
with permission from no one else. Welcome to the Journey Podcast. I'm so excited today. We are going to talk about all the things. It's a little more pop culture than you all are used to, but I'm here today with Kamie Crawford and she's an incredible, extraordinary woman, great personality, someone who has worked her ass off to get to where she is today and legitimately one of one in the space of TV.
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businesswoman and really carving out her own unique world in the space of entertainment and media, which is so not easy. So I'm really excited to have her here today on the Journey Podcast. Thank you so much. I feel like I need to record that and play it for myself every morning whenever I'm having like any self doubt. I need to just repeat that over and over again. So thank you. You are on someone's vision board. Oh, thank you. Never forget it. Okay. So for people who are unfamiliar with you, maybe just walk me through like...
01:28
Quick background, how you wound up as host of Catfish, and you're recently featured in Sports Illustrated. So, so many new things have been going right for you. What's your origin story? Well, gosh, I have to take you back to like 2010, 2009, 2010. I competed in my first ever pageant, which was Miss Maryland Teen USA. I knew nothing about pageants. I had never even really watched a pageant. I think one time a pageant was playing.
01:56
in a nail salon when I was getting a pedicure. And like, that was like my knowledge of pageantry. I didn't really know anything about it. But one of my friends had told me like, you should do this pageant. I think you would have a fun time. You'd meet cool people. So I was like, okay, I like cool people. I like a fun time. So I signed up and I ended up going on. Obviously it took some training. It took some time. It took a lot of work and preparation to do something in a short amount of time.
02:21
that people had been preparing for years and some of them their whole lives. So it was a lot, but I ended up winning Miss Maryland Teen USA on my first try and then going on to Miss Teen USA and winning that. So that was 2010. So I moved from Maryland, from Potomac. Hey, Real Housewives, yes. Everybody knows Potomac now. Before I used to have to like describe where it is and now I don't have to. Like not BG. Exactly, not BG, moco. I wish I was from Pretty Girl County, but I'm from Montgomery County.
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And I moved from Potomac to New York and lived in New York for a year, lived that life of Miss Teen USA, going to galas and volunteer events and, you know, linking up with charitable alliances and signing hundreds of autographs a day. And it was chaos. I worked with Miss USA and Miss Universe and it was insane. And it really, I think, prepared me and propelled me into the life that I'm living now.
03:20
I did have to kind of forge my own way though, but it taught me a lot about being a part of a brand and being a brand and representing yourself in a certain way and a certain light. And I'm grateful for that. So I win the pageant, I moved to New York, I give up my title, I decided to go to the University of Alabama because at the time I thought I wanted to be a dermatologist. Let's just fast forward through that story. I did not become a dermatologist, obviously.
03:49
I gave up that dream because I just realized it wasn't for me anymore. But because of my experience in front of the camera as Miss Teen USA, I was like, maybe TV hosting could be something that I could be good at. And I ended up switching majors. So I switched from pre-med to communications and media studies. And I moved back to New York, went to Fordham University, got my bachelor's in communications and media studies with a double concentration in television and radio and digital media. And
04:18
started modeling and that's when I got into that because I was like, you know, I got to pay some of these bills for reels and headshots and all these things that, you know, I wanted to do for my TV career. I needed some money to be able to supplement that. And my parents, you know, luckily I come from an amazing, incredible family. I'm the oldest of six girls and my parents are very supportive and they would have given me whatever I needed to be able to get.
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that dream started, but I was like, I have to do this on my own. I gotta be on my grind. I gotta be on my thing. And that's what I did. And so I started hosting just little things here and there, press junkets, red carpets. I started hosting my own lifestyle segments and beauty segments on local news in the tri-state area. And that was kind of how I got myself into it.
05:09
And then I turned 25 and I had my quarter century life crisis. And I thought my life was over and it's like, what am I doing with my life? Who am I going to be? Like, I can't just keep doing this because I wasn't getting paid. The only thing that was paying me was my modeling career. And I had some great clients. I was modeling for Ecom for Macy's and Lord and Taylor and, you know, some big, big names, big brands.
05:34
but I wasn't making any money off of my TV career and I really wanted to and I was trying to figure out a way to do it before I quit. And I finally made the decision like, you know what? I think I need to move to LA, which was something that I never wanted to do. As an East Coast girly, I was like, ew, LA is not my vibe. I'm an East Coast girl. I need to be in the New York streets, like where Tussle & Bustle is.
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but something was just gnawing at me to move to LA and I couldn't figure out what it was, but I was like, I have to follow it or I'm never gonna know what this could be. The week of my move, I get an email from someone in the casting department for the production company that does catfish. And first I thought it was a scam. I was like, oh, this is a human trafficking scheme and I'm about to fall for it because I'm so desperate. I'm so desperate.
06:28
for a job and this job being like a show that I watched, I felt like my whole life at that point, I had the documentary and the show came out when I was in college and I've watched it from the beginning. So I was like, somebody knows my tea. Somebody knows that I'm obsessed with the show and it's like trying to get me, but fine. Like I have to follow it because of what else do I have? And I end up following it. I literally was in the middle of packing up my house.
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I think this was on a Wednesday, my mom and my sisters had come to help me pack. And I was like, I think I need to go to Iowa City and film this show Catfish, because they just asked me to co-host an episode as a guest. And my mom is like, of course they did. Of course she thinks the sun rises and sets. She thinks the sun rises and sets out of my ass. So she's like, yes, of course. Of course they want you to be the co-host and you're gonna be the new co-host. And you're gonna, I'm like, okay, slow down.
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I've been working for seven years up until this point in hosting and nothing has happened. So like, let's not get our hopes up. But I ended up literally leaving my boxes with my mom and my sisters for them to finish packing for me. Cause my mom was like, I got this, you go to Iowa. And I went and that was the beginning of the rest of my life basically. That was my big break. I, you know, co-hosted one episode and then they asked me to do another one and then another one and I did six of them and then.
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and he called me and asked me if I wanted to be the full-time co-host. And I was like, yeah. And then he became iconic for real. And then life just completely changed for me. And now I host three shows between MTV and Paramount Plus, Catfish, Ex on the Beach, Are You the One? And then I have a relationship advice podcast called Relationship. And I do all kinds of brand deals and influencer work. And I'm...
08:20
blessed. I'm really, really blessed. And I can't believe that this is my life sometimes. Incredible. That's just so incredible and so beautiful. And I think, you know, in some ways, you put a lot of work and effort into the opportunities at each step of the way. And then you are also always there's always some level of luck. But like, to get outreach from a recruiting, I mean, people don't understand how these things are sourced. Like, yes, credible.
08:47
Yes, well, I think people have this misconception. And I think I probably did too, that these big media executives have these lavish pages where they're just posting all of the, all of the biggest celebrities from their network and their bios on Instagram are, I am a big CEO at MTV. And that is not the case. The people at the top.
09:12
barely have an Instagram, you would think it's probably a catfish page. Yeah. The profile picture is literally of them with their dog or maybe just the dog. They're like lurker accounts. They don't look real, but they are the decision makers. And I didn't realize that not only had that person in casting been following me, but there were two executives at MTV that had been following me for a long time and watching me post my content. And I'm so glad that I didn't give up because you know,
09:38
We all have that like inner saboteur inside of us that's like, why are you even posting this? It's probably looks so corny to people. Forget all that, like post your work because who was supposed to know that you're doing this work if you're not sharing it? I agree. I see so many people pitch me and Blavity to be like hosts from different shows or like they have these ideas. And then I go to their Instagram and I'm like, you literally have no proof that you can do this. And then they send their website and I'm like, okay, cool, you have a demo reel, but like.
10:08
I need to know that you're conversational. Like I need to know that this is what you do. Yes. Right. Exactly. And people get their brand wrong. Yeah. I think it's easy to, especially when you're kind of like personal life and your career life are competing against each other and like a lot of people don't have the support system that I've had and I've recognized that a lot of people are so in their heads about things because they don't have.
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a group of people who are behind them every step of the way, telling them that they can do it or that their work matters or that they have something unique and special. They have more people around them who are telling them the opposite. And that's why I always tell people, I don't care what it is. If you wanna be Miss USA, if you wanna be Kamie Crawford Catfish, if you wanna be on any major platform where you have to be vulnerable enough to put yourself out there, you cannot have haters in your midst. I'm sorry.
11:04
There is no room for hateration in my dance-ery. I do not accept it. Like, goodbye. Well, I think the other thing that's really interesting about what you're saying, and I want to call it out for people who are trying to figure out like, okay, I've done everything that she's saying, why not me? Is like, you also had institutions, like you've been through a variety of trained programs that were designed to build brands. Yes. Right, like Miss Teen USA is a process and a program and a structure. And
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you know, you won. So then you got put into now another category of the 1% of pageantry ladies. Yes. That's a winner. Yes. And then you're indoctrinated into a whole new system of training of like, this is what it is, good or bad, but like this is the roadmap. And then to your point, you did the TV thing, right? So I just had to call that out because I think sometimes people look at the results and say, why?
12:03
She's pretty, I'm pretty. I live in New York, I moved to LA. Yeah. What were we talking about? What's happening? I get it. I understand. I think I, you know, as a rising Virgo, I'm a Scorpio, but I'm a rising Virgo, I value structure. I need a base level to build off of. I need to have all of the information. I'm that type of person. So, you know, even after, obviously, you trained for the pageant, did that.
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But to get into TV, I was like, I need fundamentals. Like just having experience and somebody handing me a microphone because I was Miss Teen USA and telling me, hey, like you should host this thing. That doesn't make me a host. And at the time too, no shades where TV has gone now, but like you had to be trained. You couldn't just be an influencer. You had to be like a journalist.
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And I didn't go to school for journalism. I went to school for communications, which is a little bit different than journalism. But throughout my TV career prior to Catfish, I forced myself into education. So I found a TV hosting coach, Miss Barbara Abel in Brooklyn. Oh, my love, I love her so much. She was like my TV fairy godmother. I had a pageant fairy godmother, her name was Jules Meyer. She's like still is in the pageant scene and like teaches all the girls all the things. But...
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Miss Barbara was my TV fairy godmother and she showed me the ropes, she taught me prompter. Sometimes we wouldn't even work on TV work when I would have my hour long sessions with her. We would just talk about life and she had to break down a lot of things for me, a lot of walls that I had built up through my pageant experience. Re-teaching me that having a point of view, a strong point of view was a good thing and not something that I should shy away from.
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which obviously changed my life, because everybody knows I'm very well known from my point of view. But in pageantry, you're not taught to have that. You're taught to see both sides of everything so you don't offend anyone. And then as a black woman, it's like you really gotta tread lightly because you're gonna be seen as angry or aggressive or whatever. And she helped me break all of that. And then after her, I started doing improv classes. And like...
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went to like acting classes. I have to apologize for y'all listening to her because it's just a point. No, I'm serious, this is my point. You had two sets of coaches, advisors, mid-tours. You had classes outside of that. And it's not like you were a millionaire. I mean, you were probably making choices on how you're spending your finances to invest in yourself or your family made a choice to contribute, whatever it may be, but it wasn't like.
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you were just hanging out in Cannes because you had already gotten this seal of approval. No, no, no, no. I was active in my pursuit. I was not playing around because I realized that, I'll say this, so I did the acting classes with Tasha Smith who was not playing around with me. She made me cry in one of those classes and I love her for it because I needed that. I needed that. I had so many walls up and such a fear of being seen.
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fully because I had been taught that you're not supposed to do that, I needed to unlearn. I needed to get back to my true self. I did that. I also started taking a journalism class at SUNY in the city. It was like C-U-N-Y. I put myself in that program. I put myself into positions to learn more things because I had an experience actually
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how I met my TV host and coach was because I got an audition with E-News that was literally handed to me by somebody who knew me from the pageant world. They were like, you should do this audition. You have said you wanted to be on E-News. At the time, E-News was like my dream. She was like, you should audition for this. I was like, okay.
16:10
Yeah, I should audition for this. This is what I want. Why shouldn't I be the next E-News host? I think I was like 22 at the time. I was like, why shouldn't I be her? That's me. Child, I remember being on my way to the audition and I started bawling. I thought I was gonna throw up. I was in the back of a yellow cab. I had the worst anxiety of my entire life. I called my mom. My mom gets my grandma on the phone. We're on a prayer line now.
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They're like pleading the blood of Jesus and I am just sobbing because I am not prepared. I'm not prepared. I didn't have any of the tools. I just had a dream. I just wanted it. But wanting it is not enough. You have to have the tools. Thankfully, I get to the audition and who is leading the audition? Miss Barbara, who I did not know at the time. That's how I met her, was she was leading the audition. She records my audition.
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She turns the camera off and she's like, sit down. I'm like, my heart is beating out of my chest because I'm like, E-news, this is my dream, I'm going to be on E-news. I sit down and she's like, I think you have something. I think you have something special. I think you're going to be the next Hoda Kotb, she would always say. I loved Hoda so I was like, oh my God, Hoda Kotb, I'm going to be Hoda. She was like, I think you really could make it far.
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and because of that, I'm not submitting this audition. I was instantly heartbroken and humbled at the same time because up until that point, I had gotten what I wanted because I worked for it, but I hadn't really worked for this as much as I needed to. It's a new level. No, it's a new level. She explained to me why she wasn't submitting it. She was like, you're not ready. I think we need to definitely-
18:07
do some trainings that you can be. And also what I didn't realize at the time was that NBC Universal had this thing, I think they called it like the Sunflower System. I don't know if they still have it, but essentially it was a database full of talent that had submitted or auditioned for different roles there. And your information stays in there the same for like a long time. So if you have a bad audition that gets submitted, it stays there.
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And you can't just come back and be like, hey, I've got these new tools. Can I come audition again? I mean, I'm sure if they had that system back then, they definitely have that. I'm sure. I'm sure they do. It's just like recruiting. I have people's resumes. People who applied at Blavity like 2016. And I can see every time they apply, every year. See? So if you put on there that you're proficient in Excel and you're trilingual, and you know all these languages, yeah, they remember that. So if you were one day looking for somebody who spoke Polish.
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and you could hit up the one Polish speaking person and they're like, actually, I never spoke Polish. Like, come on, now you've missed an opportunity. So that's why I shouldn't submit it. And immediately after that, I was like, okay, teach me everything. Like, I just want to learn everything. And that's what we did. We started with Promptr and you know, actually, I don't think we started with Promptr. We started with other things and then worked our way up to Promptr because I remember being like, why can't I get on Promptr? Like, that's what I want to do. Why are we doing these like,
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writing exercises, but it all mattered. It all mattered. I needed all of it and I needed to have the tools so that going into another audition, I never felt like that again. And I never did. I never felt like that again. Every single other time I went in for something, I felt prepared and every single other time I went in for something, I got it. So I just have to say, like, you need all the tools. Even the things that you don't think that you need, you need...
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all of them because you never know when you're gonna have to whip something out. It is what is going to separate you from other people. There are a lot of well-known people that we know who have been granted amazing platforms and shows that have not done well because they don't have the tools. And I remember looking at those people too and being like, why am I working so hard when I could just get a million followers and I could be given a talk show and you know that it would be that easy but
20:31
Longevity is what we're striving for. And knowledge is important and knowledge is power. And you have to work for it. It feels so much better when you've worked for it, even if it takes seven years like it took me. Yeah, and seven years, honestly, in LA, New York, it's not that long. Right, exactly. But at the time, you started younger. Right, and that's the thing. I think when you're young, especially, and this is for all the young people listening, I too thought that I was supposed to be Oprah at 25.
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Yes, I too thought, why don't I have three shows at 21? I just graduated from college, I should have everything. Yes, I get it. I get it. We all have that mindset and that's good, but let it fuel you to just soak up everything, soak up every experience. You don't know everything. I thought I knew everything. I didn't know shit. I didn't know half of what I know now.
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and it's all a part of the process. You have to trust the process and you have to lean into it because when you get to be 30 like me and you're sitting pretty in your role and things are now coming to you, you will be prepared for it. Right, I agree. The world has changed so much. I guess what I am curious like, because there are so many women, well, one, I feel like there's like three eras. There's like the YouTubers and there are the YouTubers who like,
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some of them made it, right? So like Issa was a YouTuber who made it. Right. Or who else was one? I was just looking at Shannon Boudram. Oh yeah, oh, I love Shannon. Right? So there's like a few people who've like made it from digital to TV. Then there's like the Instagram crowd. And there's all the comedians that made it, like B. Simone and like Deval, like the people on BT and stuff like that. I'm like, okay, so they made it. Do you think the TikTokers are gonna make it?
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You know, it's hard to say because I could have easily said, you know, back in the day that like reality show stars and like actors don't make good hosts, but then you have Drew Barrymore who's killing it. And like, I think that it really dep- what? Right. Well, yeah. I was killing it. Was killing it. Was killing it before that old thing happened. But like, yeah, I think if you are able to
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hone in on your thing, you can make it anywhere. You just have to be so passionate about that thing. Issa was super passionate about what she was talking about and it led her to Insecure, it led her to being a major producer and having a major production company and having the Suite Life, which I got to host the reunion of. And Shan, sex is her topic, she owns it. You have to have a point of view. And I remember
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my TV host and coach telling me to stop being so afraid of being pigeonholed. I had this really intense fear of being boxed in and only being known for one thing. And she taught me the importance of how valuable it is to be known for one thing. And once you are known for that thing, doors will open up for you and you'll be considered for things that you may not have thought about because other people are thinking about it, about you in that way. And so
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I think, you know, even for like Instagram people and you just don't, you don't know who's watching. So just keep putting out your content. I hope that TikTok people and TikTok stars can utilize the same, you know, framework, like, you know, you have Monet McMichael, who I love. She's incredible. And she's like, I know I was like, you're diving in fashion week says love seeing everything she posts. I'm like living by cares. I'm like reliving my 24 year old life. I'm like,
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Yes, you better be in Paris. You better be walking in L'Oreal. Love it. I love it. And I'm like, that is someone who owns her brand. She's not trying to do a bunch of other things. She's sticking to her thing. And why couldn't she host a beauty series or a beauty show? If you want to be considered for certain things, you need to become really good at something. So I think it's possible if you're not, you know.
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messing around and trying to just do a bunch of dance. Like, unless you're trying to host a dance show, it's like, let's, exactly. Let's like, let's figure it out. Like, let's really dive in and figure out what it is that you want to do and become really good at that. And also pick a niche that pays. So like, you know, you might be really good at DIY, but do DIY shows pay? Right, right. And they're so far and few in between. Like a lane. Yeah, they're so far and few in between. Like.
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Food is a good one. Finance is a good one. Beauty is a good one. And honestly, like, I love people who are really passionate about super niche things. Exactly. But if you want to- Mushrooms, forest, food, environmental, literally any of that stuff is a good one. I love, there's this one girl that I follow that is obsessed with buying miniature things, like little mini things, and she has like a little miniature grocery store. And like, I love that.
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Do I see it being like some big, you know, TV brand? Maybe not necessarily. But do I see her maybe having her own line of miniature things that like target? Sure. Like, I think like something on TLC where it's like my life as a miniature obsessed person here. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I would watch it because I'm that person like if those things are very attractive to me. So I think you know, host your stuff.
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Like post your content and be real about what it is that you're doing. Yeah. Because people can sense when you're not. I agree. Okay. Let's get into some relationship things since that is your expertise. Most recently I have been deep and dragged into these holes of like baby mama drama. I feel like we're also just at that age where like secret baby mamas are being exposed and.
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people are finding out that they're the baby mama when they thought they were the main, and it's just all types of stuff. The most recent one that I've just been obsessed with that I know I really shouldn't, so don't judge me y'all, is the girl in Atlanta named Morgan, who has, well, she's not in Atlanta, but she's baby mama number seven from Atlanta. The random man in Atlanta. And she has merch, and I love it. And oh my God, her baby is so cute with those bonnets. I literally can't.
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I literally can't. I love it. I hope she flips it. I think I saw her do a brand deal for a morning after pill. Oh, yes. Yes, because she's like, let this be your daily birth control. I love her. I think she's so funny. I think she could really be something big. I just wonder what she wants to do, if she wants to do it. Because not everybody who makes a TikTok or makes a viral video wants to be seen regularly on TV. Yeah, I don't know.
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but she got that baby on there every day. So I'm like, you're already exposed to this. You already get your baby on blast. That's true, that's true. That's just the wild way. That's true. You know what I couldn't believe? The fact that the random man from Atlanta actually spoke out. Why would you, you should have been fighting under a rock. Are you crazy? I would have never, I would have never put my face on the internet for everybody to see. No, not only that, he tried to chase clout. Like he tried to like show their DMs and.
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And I'm like, sorry, there is no redeeming qualities about you. There's nothing you can say. No. And he was dusty. So very dusty. And the other thing that Momma's got on TikTok, and I was like, oh my god, this is my version of reality TV. Yes. I don't need reality TV. I need real life, real TikTok algorithms for getting me back into people's drama. Yes. Agreed. So good. Okay. So like rapid fire. What are some of your...
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red flags that people need to be thinking of. I mean, you've got a new season of catfish coming out and you've seen so much. Yes, too much. So much. Too much. Oh, well, I mean, well, I guess you could say if he's from Atlanta. Immediate red flag. No, I think not just like with.
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dating online, but like there are a lot of red flags in real life relationships that we miss every day. I've done it, like we've all done it. And that's why I always say the red flags start looking like six flags every once in a while because you're like, me, this is so much fun. It's not, so stay away, steer clear. Rapid Fire for me, it is anyone who is rude to service people or waiting staff, immediate no, immediate no. Anyone who...
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I mean, there's so many that come to mind. There's like, how like everything is a red flag. One of mine was two phones. I was like, that's a flag. You got two phones. Two phones was a flag for me. You don't need two phones. Right. Unless, well, I don't even think there is an unless. No, not unless you have a corporate phone and you're a corporate man. Right, right. But at least we're not corporate men. Right, yeah, yeah. So, what you got two phones for? Exactly, exactly. Anyone who talks really negatively or badly about their ex all the time.
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Or like even if they do have a baby mama anyone who's like dragging their baby mama Anyone who's like oh, they were crazy. They were so crazy. Okay, so why were they crazy? And what did you do to contribute to make them crazy? Red flag to me because I just feel like you shouldn't be doing that We've all had exes that went really badly, but like if you're constantly talking shit about your ex Maybe there's some unresolved things there or maybe you were actually
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because I wonder if I talk to her what she would say. Well, I'm crazy because. Right, exactly, exactly. So, you know. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven. A lot of people lack introspection, so that is a problem. Let's see, what else? Any man, for me personally, any man who is homophobic and loves to say homophobic stuff, I'm not into it. Exactly.
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I'm not into it at all. I think it's really, really- And can't understand if you call them out, if they're like defensive. If it's like, oh, I didn't know this person was trans and I called them a he or she. You know, it's like, okay, cool. But if you're defensive- Yeah, yeah, let's talk about it. Because like, what's really going on? Why are you so passionate about this topic that allegedly does not concern you? I just feel like I don't wanna date anyone or speak to anyone.
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who has hatred towards anybody. Sorry, unless I hate them and it's a mutual hatred, I don't wanna hear about it. That a man or a person who is not generous, red flag, because I tell my friends all the time, you could date a billionaire and he could never wanna spend a dime on you. He could never want to pick you up from the airport or do generous things. It's not even just monetary things. It's just like,
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life things like you could not want to fill up your Stanley cup. Like those things of this generosity. Yeah. So people who are not generous, because I'm very generous, and I'm very loving and you know, access services my love language. So yeah, people get mad at me. Yes. And people don't really are you giving really giving this person a 10% tip? Like, yes. Yeah. Like, walk. Yeah, I'm always baseline 18. Oh, yeah. I'm like, even if they're bad, I'm like, it doesn't
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Is it really that serious? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. So those are just a few of mine. I think I made a list like a 40 point list one time on my phone of like, it's I feel like you should share that with the rest of us. I'm not single man. I'm just like here in solidarity for the single girls. Yes, exactly. Exactly. There's there's so many x I don't know. I don't know men. I can't tell you how many men I've come across on tik tok or in person who think
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Everything is emasculating. Lotioning their ass is emasculating, or they say it is gay. I'm like, what? Like, so you're absolutely insane and you have an ashy ass, so no. They don't like wash between their butt cheeks. No, like, I've seen way too much, I've seen way too many people on TikTok talking about how they had to teach their boyfriend that they have to actually, like not just let the water trickle down.
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And I'm just like, what kind of world are we living in? Now I will go into the inners of TikTok and find it. That's crazy. It's going to pop up on your algorithm now. Definitely. Red flag. You don't know how to use soap. Actively use soap. Red flag. That's right. And any things that you've seen on Catfish, what's been the most memorable Catfish episode that you are like, that was iconic.
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Oh God. You guys have seen a lot. We've had so many. I think the one that kind of like put me on the map and solidified me in like our viewers minds was the Red and Jaleesa episode, which is the one with my good girl friend from around the way, Ashley Taylor. She cussed me out. She called me the help. She called me a bitch. And I stood up to her. And...
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people really loved that. And that was my first ever episode as the permanent co-host of the show. But people loved the fact that I wasn't afraid to speak my mind and call her out and then also stand up for myself when she came at me. And so I actually appreciate her a lot. People think that we have this like beef or that she just hates me, but I just always express my love for her because if it wasn't for her, I don't think that I would have had that as quickly like that kind of.
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being received by catfish fans like that. So I'm very grateful for you Ashley Taylor on record girl. Honestly, sometimes controversy allows you to have a moment of clarity. Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. And it's like, you know, a time to prove yourself. I loved the episode in general, because people just love it. I said some silly things to her and got her riled up and you know, I enjoyed it. I have to know what. Oh yeah, most viral moments.
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All right, Kamie, well, thank you so much for joining us today. Hopefully the girls enjoyed this. And also, my biggest takeaway, then I hope that people also really, really think about it, is if you want to be a host, if you want to be talent, there is actually an inner workings to these things. And there is a professionalism and a process to it. It's not just enough to be good looking and have a social following.
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There is actually a system, a process, and typically, many, many years, you guys heard Yvonne Orji, she just came on the podcast, she talked about the same thing, right? I talked about for my own brand, people are like, oh, you gave so many brand deals. I'm like, this did not happen overnight? What are you talking about? Everybody thinks that, everyone is like, oh my God, like you just, like, all of a sudden, that's so great. And I'm like, girl, you have no idea.
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The bottles upon bottles of wine that I had to get through to get to this moment, because I was sad. I was ready to give up. And yeah, people don't see that part, but there's so much more that happens behind the scenes and on the way. And all of it is valuable. All of it is important. Absolutely. So thank you for sharing your journey with us. Of course. Thank you. All right. Bye, y'all. I'll catch you on the next episode of Journey Podcast. Thanks for listening to the Journey Podcast.
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